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Furnace pressure question coustanis 03-16-2007
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Posted by coustanis on March 16, 2007, 12:00 pm


Hi all,

My house is heated with hot water baseboard radiators. The hot water
is supplied by a boiler furnace with circulation pump. The furnace
has an automatic fill valve that is kept in the off position unless
the system needs water. It is them manually opened until proper
pressure is achieved. The burner comes on at about 150 degrees and
goes out at 160 degrees. I try to maintain about 18psi at 160 degrees
system pressure. The safety blow valve is set to blow at 35psi. It
has an air purge valve at the top of furnace just below the floor
above it (about 10 feet from basement floor).
The air purge valve is new and so is the expansion tank. The
expansion tank pressure seems to match the boiler pressure.

Here's the problem. Every couple of days the system pressure has
dropped to about 10 or 11 psi at 160 degrees. This effects the
efficiency of both the radiator heat as well as the potable hot water
(which is heated bythe boiler).
I open the fill valve, purge the air and close it all back up at 18psi
at 160 degrees. All is well for another couple of days until the
pressure if back down and I repeat the process.

I don't see any leaks, no water dripping from ceilings or pooling
anywhere that I can see. One room of the house is a concrete slab
floor (converted carport). It has heating pipe within the concrete
slab.

I keep adding water and purging. What could cause the pressure to
keep dropping?
I'm out of ideas.

Thanks in advance,


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Posted by Speedy Jim on March 16, 2007, 12:42 pm


coustanis wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> My house is heated with hot water baseboard radiators. The hot water
> is supplied by a boiler furnace with circulation pump. The furnace
> has an automatic fill valve that is kept in the off position unless
> the system needs water. It is them manually opened until proper
> pressure is achieved. The burner comes on at about 150 degrees and
> goes out at 160 degrees. I try to maintain about 18psi at 160 degrees
> system pressure. The safety blow valve is set to blow at 35psi. It
> has an air purge valve at the top of furnace just below the floor
> above it (about 10 feet from basement floor).
> The air purge valve is new and so is the expansion tank. The
> expansion tank pressure seems to match the boiler pressure.
>
> Here's the problem. Every couple of days the system pressure has
> dropped to about 10 or 11 psi at 160 degrees. This effects the
> efficiency of both the radiator heat as well as the potable hot water
> (which is heated bythe boiler).
> I open the fill valve, purge the air and close it all back up at 18psi
> at 160 degrees. All is well for another couple of days until the
> pressure if back down and I repeat the process.
>
> I don't see any leaks, no water dripping from ceilings or pooling
> anywhere that I can see. One room of the house is a concrete slab
> floor (converted carport). It has heating pipe within the concrete
> slab.
>
> I keep adding water and purging. What could cause the pressure to
> keep dropping?
> I'm out of ideas.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>


Quote: "It has heating pipe within the concrete
slab."

I bet you have answered your own question.

After the heating season is over, maybe look for a
way to isolate that loop, then pressure test it for leaks.

Jim

Posted by coustanis on March 16, 2007, 12:54 pm


> coustanis wrote:
> > Hi all,
>
> > My house is heated with hot water baseboard radiators. The hot water
> > is supplied by a boiler furnace with circulation pump. The furnace
> > has an automatic fill valve that is kept in the off position unless
> > the system needs water. It is them manually opened until proper
> > pressure is achieved. The burner comes on at about 150 degrees and
> > goes out at 160 degrees. I try to maintain about 18psi at 160 degrees
> > system pressure. The safety blow valve is set to blow at 35psi. It
> > has an air purge valve at the top of furnace just below the floor
> > above it (about 10 feet from basement floor).
> > The air purge valve is new and so is the expansion tank. The
> > expansion tank pressure seems to match the boiler pressure.
>
> > Here's the problem. Every couple of days the system pressure has
> > dropped to about 10 or 11 psi at 160 degrees. This effects the
> > efficiency of both the radiator heat as well as the potable hot water
> > (which is heated bythe boiler).
> > I open the fill valve, purge the air and close it all back up at 18psi
> > at 160 degrees. All is well for another couple of days until the
> > pressure if back down and I repeat the process.
>
> > I don't see any leaks, no water dripping from ceilings or pooling
> > anywhere that I can see. One room of the house is a concrete slab
> > floor (converted carport). It has heating pipe within the concrete
> > slab.
>
> > I keep adding water and purging. What could cause the pressure to
> > keep dropping?
> > I'm out of ideas.
>
> > Thanks in advance,
>
> Quote: "It has heating pipe within the concrete
> slab."
>
> I bet you have answered your own question.
>
> After the heating season is over, maybe look for a
> way to isolate that loop, then pressure test it for leaks.
>
> Jim

That's the answer I was trying to avoid. I can't imagine replaceing
pipe within concrete.


Posted by George on March 16, 2007, 12:51 pm


coustanis wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> My house is heated with hot water baseboard radiators. The hot water
> is supplied by a boiler furnace with circulation pump. The furnace
> has an automatic fill valve that is kept in the off position unless
> the system needs water.

An automatic fill valve is designed to function all on its own and
should never be turned off.

It is them manually opened until proper
> pressure is achieved. The burner comes on at about 150 degrees and
> goes out at 160 degrees. I try to maintain about 18psi at 160 degrees
> system pressure. The safety blow valve is set to blow at 35psi. It
> has an air purge valve at the top of furnace just below the floor
> above it (about 10 feet from basement floor).
> The air purge valve is new and so is the expansion tank. The
> expansion tank pressure seems to match the boiler pressure.
>
> Here's the problem. Every couple of days the system pressure has
> dropped to about 10 or 11 psi at 160 degrees. This effects the
> efficiency of both the radiator heat as well as the potable hot water
> (which is heated bythe boiler).
> I open the fill valve, purge the air and close it all back up at 18psi
> at 160 degrees. All is well for another couple of days until the
> pressure if back down and I repeat the process.
>
> I don't see any leaks, no water dripping from ceilings or pooling
> anywhere that I can see. One room of the house is a concrete slab
> floor (converted carport). It has heating pipe within the concrete
> slab.
>
> I keep adding water and purging. What could cause the pressure to
> keep dropping?
> I'm out of ideas.

Likely the pipe in the slab is leaking.


>
> Thanks in advance,
>

Posted by coustanis on March 16, 2007, 1:05 pm


> coustanis wrote:
> > Hi all,
>
> > My house is heated with hot water baseboard radiators. The hot water
> > is supplied by a boiler furnace with circulation pump. The furnace
> > has an automatic fill valve that is kept in the off position unless
> > the system needs water.
>
> An automatic fill valve is designed to function all on its own and
> should never be turned off.
>
> It is them manually opened until proper
>
>
>
> > pressure is achieved. The burner comes on at about 150 degrees and
> > goes out at 160 degrees. I try to maintain about 18psi at 160 degrees
> > system pressure. The safety blow valve is set to blow at 35psi. It
> > has an air purge valve at the top of furnace just below the floor
> > above it (about 10 feet from basement floor).
> > The air purge valve is new and so is the expansion tank. The
> > expansion tank pressure seems to match the boiler pressure.
>
> > Here's the problem. Every couple of days the system pressure has
> > dropped to about 10 or 11 psi at 160 degrees. This effects the
> > efficiency of both the radiator heat as well as the potable hot water
> > (which is heated bythe boiler).
> > I open the fill valve, purge the air and close it all back up at 18psi
> > at 160 degrees. All is well for another couple of days until the
> > pressure if back down and I repeat the process.
>
> > I don't see any leaks, no water dripping from ceilings or pooling
> > anywhere that I can see. One room of the house is a concrete slab
> > floor (converted carport). It has heating pipe within the concrete
> > slab.
>
> > I keep adding water and purging. What could cause the pressure to
> > keep dropping?
> > I'm out of ideas.
>
> Likely the pipe in the slab is leaking.
>
>
>
> > Thanks in advance,

What kind of idiot puts pipe in the slab. It used to be a carport so
the pipe may have been added afterwards. Maybe in a small trench or
something.
I guess I have to take the floating floor up. It was just installed
last year.
Crap.


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