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Our situation should be a "no lose" arrangement. The airport leases the
land to you for 10 years at a nominal rate. 5 years into the lease, they
can adjust the rate to reflect market changes. After 10 years, the airport
can either buy your hangar at market value or can extend your lease. While
it would be bad to lose a hangar after 10 years, at least we wouldn't walk
away empty handed...
KB
"Dick" <rwripper@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:7%C0i.5703$wy2.595@trnddc03...
> To second item #1 below..
> An insufficiently long enough term lease bit our chapter badly at a city
> airport. Even though totally financing/constructing our
> shop/hanger/building, after 25 years we "lost" it to the city. Our rent
> went from $0 to almost $300/ month. Be aware that city airport commissions
> can change easily from GA/experimental friendly to not. We lost every
> discussion over the last 4 years and now spend most of our time chasing
> revenue to cover our expenses....As I understand, the land was leased for
> 20 years at no rent and our building became theirs afterwards for us to
> rent like other hangers on the field. ie: no "break" to EAA chapter.
> <DLK6354@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1178782589.401742.155760@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> KyleOn May 9, 7:14?pm, "Kyle Boatright" <kboatrig...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> Our EAA chapter is perpetually scheming for ways to acquire a hangar for
>> member aircraft and for chapter activities. Obviously, any reasonably
>> sized
>> hangar requires a substantial outlay of funds. The cost issue seems to be
>> the big hold-up right now.
>>
>> Anyway, we're looking at a variety of pre-engineered metal building
>> options
>> for a 50x60 (approx) hangar, but would consider a "homebuilt" alternative
>> if
>> we could come up with a design that would be functional (it would need to
>> meet code and have decent aesthetics), more affordable than commercially
>> purchased alternatives, and that could be built by your typical group of
>> enthusiasts.
>>
>> Thoughts? Suggestions?
>>
>> By the way, the hangar would be at a public airport, and we've been
>> directed
>> by the airport authority that Quonset hut type shelters or bigger
>> versions
>> of portable garage type buildings will not get their approval. I suspect
>> that what they really want us to build is a commercially purchased
>> hangar,
>> but until they rule out other alternatives, we're gonna pursue all viable
>> options.
>
> Kyle -
>
> Our chapter (www.eaa32.org) went through the same drama several years
> ago. While we were debating the budget vs. construction type issue,
> one of our members got a lead on an existing 40' X 100' metal building
> that was scheduled to be torn down for new highway construction. In
> fact, it had been the State DOT's field office for the project, and
> was on land owned by a local hotel chain. Being organized as a 501(c)3
> not-for-profit corporation that made it possible for them to donate
> the building to us and take a tax right off.
>
> When we got the green light from the hotel firm, we put out the call
> for all able bodied members to come out to disassemble the building,
> and stuff the salvagable material into some rented trailers, and
> hauled them up to our county airport location. One member fortunately
> had access to a mobil crane which was needed to disassemble the metal
> frame and load onto a flatbed. Incredibly, we accomplished all this in
> less than three weeks with a bunch of part-timers. At this point
> everyone thought we were almost (in our) home. Reality set in when we
> discovered that before ground breaking, we had to:
> 1. Negotiate a favorable long term lease for the land with the county.
> 2. Hire a professional engineering firm to design a new foundation.
> 3. Make new plans for the interior.
> 4. Buy a fold-up door (included engineering modification to building
> frame)
> 5. Get plans approved by eight agencies, including FEMA because it is
> located in a flood plain.
>
> Because we decided to rebuild it ourselves, it took about two years to
> go through the above, and then about four years of Saturdays to get to
> where we could lock the door (like a homebuilt, we cannot say it's
> really complete, but it's usable). Most of the building process is
> documented on our website under "ARC" which officially stands for
> Aviation Resource Center, but some wags opine that being in a flood
> plain suggests something else. One important caveat as part of the
> negotiation with the airport is that the ARC was not to be used of
> long term storage of airplanes. This turned out not to be an issue b/c
> we basically need all the available space for meetings and short term
> aircraft use at critical completion points.
>
> We learned a lot, many of us had to readjust our saturdays after the
> construction was complete, and in spite of the occasional ruffled
> feather, I'd say that most found it an enjoyable experience. And,
> after years of yakking about it, we finally have a home.
>
> If any chapter wants to do anything like what I have described here, I
> will be glad to pass on our experience in the form of what to do, or
> not do, as the case may be based on our experience. BTW, if you cannot
> find a friendly building donor, there are some buiding component
> companies around I can steer you to to get the lowest starting cost if
> you want to do it with "sweat equity" like we did. We ended up going
> to them for many components because some stuff just wasn't reusable.
>
> Doug Killebrew
> Construction Manager, EAA 32, (Ret)
>
>
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