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DG wrote:
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> Subcomandante wrote:
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>>WRONG!
>>The the unpaid HOA dues should not be subject to take property![Emphases
>>added] Simply cutting services for which they are collected to
>>delinquent homeowner should do. Same as utility company cuts their
>>services. There is plenty of services including Garbage collection,
>>insurance and repairs the HOA can cut. However HOA without dues can't
>>exist so it would be good leverage for homeowners to have HOA rein in.
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>>It would work wonders in Woodside Village HOA.
>>It would be free market force of supply and demand.
>>Reiterating: "The power corrupts so the absolute power corrupts absolutely.
>>-Sub
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> You're making the assumption that every HOA provides services beyond
> basic CC&R enforcement AND that home owners actually give a @#$@ about
> said services.
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> What about HOAs with no common property? IE - you cannot take away pool
> access?
> You cannot take away their access card to the gym?
>
> Let's use this as an example:
> I live in an area with an HOA that has some common property - the entry
> to the neighborhood. The HOA pays to maintain said entryway. Funds
> also go to CC&R enforcement (which is also very popular - NOT).
>
> Let's say that Larry decides he's not going to pay his HOA bill.
> Larry doesn't particuarly care if the front entry way gets mowed.
> He doesn't care if the water bill is not paid.
> Should Larry's neighbors have to make up his portion of the bill?
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This is very good point and very difficult if not impossible to resolve
in quasi-communist environment.
We know based on many centuries and many social experiments that that
only true free marked forces can resolve such a dilemma.
> How does the HOA get Larry to pay the bill if they cannot go after some
> form of property that Larry owns?
>
> Yes, they can sue him in civil court. Larry is then ordered to pay by
> a judge.
> Larry ignores said judge. What happens? Probably nothing.
Once you have judgment it is easy to collect in this country
notwithstanding destruction of his credit.
You have
> to hire an attorney (again) to do some discovery on Larry's assets.
> You then have to go back the judge and get a court order to TAKE
> Larry's assets. You then have to hire a law enforcement officer to go
> get said assets. The cost of all of this is probably a lot more than
> what Larry owes in terms of his HOA dues. The HOA is out $4000 over a
> $200 debt. Clearly, the HOA is not going to be able to do this for
> very long - or they're going to end up with "special assessments" out
> the rear end.
>
The above is total imagination. You can go if if ifing for ever.
> I do not support foreclosure... Well, let me qualify that: I do not
> support foreclosure in regard to fines and legal fees that are
> associated with the process. It's bad enough that an HOA can take a
> home, but the real crime is not taking the home - it's the outright
> legal way that the HOA's attorney can run up thousands in legal fees if
> Larry wants to keep his house, when all he really owes is a $200 debt.
>
The above is to qualify your following paragraph. It is same when bigot
say I've many black friends so he can go on bashing black.
> I propose that the HOA should be able to take Larry's house, if Larry
> is really CHOOSING not to pay (not that he cannot pay), AND no fees can
> be stacked on top of this issue that are not reasonable relative to the
> debt that Larry owes.
>
That is absolutely unacceptable. May be you should give up that shit
which you are maintaining as the front entry way.
What is more reasonable?
To maintain your front entry way or homeless family.
You don't know why Larry will not pay. You just assume that Larry is
deadbeat. Well may be he has $200,000 worth of medical bills for his
disabled kid.
> Get rid of the vulcher attorneys, manditory management companies, apply
> judicial oversight to foreclosures and limitations on fees - most of
> these problems will go away. The CAI will die out without attorney
> support.
>
As long as you will think quasi-communist to take Larry's home the
attorneys will have plenty of work.
It isn't coincidence that CAI developed the industry to be
quasi-communist. It is the perfect system for that purpose.
-Sub
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