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Of course. NTSB dockets SE-17831 and SE-17832 from Administrative Law Judge
William R. Mullins. The final decision on appeal should have been issued
already, but the Oral Decision and Order issues October 17, 2006 speaks for
itself.
"A couple other comments on the Charter Quest Team, Mr. Riley talked about
the fact that they have their own rules. They do not have to follow that
handbook on operational control and I certainly believe him but that in and
of itself is kind of a scary approach in my opinion. We have a federal
government agency that's trying to regulate in an area and their regulatory
team doesn't even have rules that are published so that somebody can see
what they are coming out to look at or how they are going to go about it.
And then, Mr. Weitzenhoffer suggested to counsel that if he wanted this
secret document, he could issue FOIA request for it. The concern that I've
is that if a document is only to be obtained by a FOIA request, either by an
airman, a certificate holder, or the National Transportation Safety Board,
then it's not entitled to any deference by the National Transportation
Safety Board."
Pretty strong words from an NTSB judge, if I may say so. I tried to get the
FAA to give me more info on this. They went so far as to acknowledge the
team's existence, and that's it. No names, no location, no rules or
authority except by FOIA request. In the meanwhile, in this example over 100
people had to be laid off, just a couple months before Xmas, and the
consequences are all piling up.
I called AOPA and no one knew about the "team". Neither does NBAA, or anyone
else I talked to. And yet, they have authority to issue emergency orders of
revocations of certificates.
"Brad" <2ferrets@gte.net> wrote in message
news:1164651892.671527.223920@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> Interesting. Can you give any cites?
> Brad
>
>
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> "Bruce Greef" <bgpub@westgray.co.za> wrote in message
>> news:ekehin$2h5k$1@newsreader02.ops.uunet.co.za...
>> > Eric Greenwell wrote:
>> >> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> "Eric Greenwell" <flyguy26e@verizon.netto> wrote in message
>> >>> news:BI5ah.13303$_x3.11069@trndny02...
>> >>>
>> >>>> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> >>>> ect certification of an individual aircraft.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> Ron Wanttaja
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> C'mon Ron. You make it sound like the FAA guys are an officious
>> >>>>>> bunch
>> >>>>>> of self righteous bureaucrats!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> What else do they call themselves?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The ones I have worked with called themselves things like "Bob",
>> >>>> "Charlie", and "Sue", while they went out of their way to certify my
>> >>>> glider, set up our wave windows, and get me the waiver I requested.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Lucky you, you ran into the minority...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> It's not luck when it happens repeatedly over a 30 year period at
>> >> multiple FSDOs, towers, and elsewhere. I do know people that always
>> >> seem
>> >> to get the obnoxious ones, and it's not luck then, either.
>> >>
>> > Touche Eric, I was wondering if there was a good way to say that.
>>
>> I wouldn't be so much in agreement if I were you.
>>
>> Ever hear of an outfit the FAA calls the "Charter Quest Team"? It's a
>> little
>> group the FAA has put together to blast the livelihood from under part
>> 135
>> operators on the basis of murky interpretations of "operational control".
>> They do not talk to the FSDO's that have authority over the operators, the
>> FAA won't tell you who they are or where they work out of, and if you ask
>> them what rules the team is working under, the request is refused and you
>> are pointed to FOIA procedures. These are people who have already been at
>> work destroying companies who have done nothing wrong other than try to
>> live
>> to up to the spirit of regulations and "do the right thing." You think
>> luck
>> is involved in any way in this? Even the NTSB has blasted this hit man
>> team
>> the FAA has put together. You had better hope your luck holds out if you
>> run
>> into them.
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