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Pool timer wiring dilemma RakeKiller 04-24-2007
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Posted by RakeKiller on April 24, 2007, 2:23 pm


I am in the process of installing an aquarite salt water chlorine generator.
Before I do anything I want to make sure of something and get some
clarification.

Three pictures for reference at a pool forum where there seems to be some
confusion.
http://www.poolforum.com/pf2/showthread.php?p=44743&posted=1#post44743

Picture A shows the intermatic timer with the terminal protector labeling
the(5) terminals as ( from left to right).
A
1 ( Line)
2 ( Load)
3 (Line)
4 (Load)

Now, in picture B, coming into the timer on the right are the pump motor
wires and this confuses me.
Green to ground- Ok
Black to 4 (load) - Ok
and
Black to 1 (Line)< Huh?

Coming in from the left are the wires from the aquarite.
From the aquarite manual I read as if it should be wired as such...(
aquarite is pre-wired for 240VAC)
Green to ground.
Red to ? ( load 2?)
Black to ?(load 4?)

What confuses me here is that one power line( Black) from the pool pump is
wired to 1 (Line) terminal. I thought this should be wired to a load
terminal?
The second power line (Black) is wired to 4(Load)
Green to ground lug.

THAT said it appears the that line coming into it( red wire)is from the
switch ( that I use to manually turn the pump on an off) the in housing just
below the timer box. This pump switch is and x-10 wide /flat type switch.

The toggle switch below IT also controls power to the pump( it is left in
the ON position)
Pool light switch and GFI outlet are NOT affected by either the pool pump or
toggle switch, both have constant power.( I assume the light runs FROM the
GFI.

I have no clue what the black box between the light and the GFI is.
I do have a remote control x-10 to turn on and off the pump/light?



Posted by RBM on April 24, 2007, 5:26 pm


It's hard to tell exactly what's going on here, but: The black box is a
"deck box". The conduit from the under water fixture must go to a deck box.
It likely gets its power via the gfci and the switch. The time clock #1 and
#3 are the feed 240 volt for the clock motor. #2 is the load from #1 and has
nothing on it. #4 is the load from #3 and has two wires connected to it. It
would appear that one leg of the load, is incorrectly connected to the line,
and they're only using the clock to break the second leg



>I am in the process of installing an aquarite salt water chlorine
>generator.
> Before I do anything I want to make sure of something and get some
> clarification.
>
> Three pictures for reference at a pool forum where there seems to be some
> confusion.
> http://www.poolforum.com/pf2/showthread.php?p=44743&posted=1#post44743
>
> Picture A shows the intermatic timer with the terminal protector labeling
> the(5) terminals as ( from left to right).
> A
> 1 ( Line)
> 2 ( Load)
> 3 (Line)
> 4 (Load)
>
> Now, in picture B, coming into the timer on the right are the pump motor
> wires and this confuses me.
> Green to ground- Ok
> Black to 4 (load) - Ok
> and
> Black to 1 (Line)< Huh?
>
> Coming in from the left are the wires from the aquarite.
> From the aquarite manual I read as if it should be wired as such...(
> aquarite is pre-wired for 240VAC)
> Green to ground.
> Red to ? ( load 2?)
> Black to ?(load 4?)
>
> What confuses me here is that one power line( Black) from the pool pump is
> wired to 1 (Line) terminal. I thought this should be wired to a load
> terminal?
> The second power line (Black) is wired to 4(Load)
> Green to ground lug.
>
> THAT said it appears the that line coming into it( red wire)is from the
> switch ( that I use to manually turn the pump on an off) the in housing
> just below the timer box. This pump switch is and x-10 wide /flat type
> switch.
>
> The toggle switch below IT also controls power to the pump( it is left in
> the ON position)
> Pool light switch and GFI outlet are NOT affected by either the pool pump
> or toggle switch, both have constant power.( I assume the light runs FROM
> the GFI.
>
> I have no clue what the black box between the light and the GFI is.
> I do have a remote control x-10 to turn on and off the pump/light?
>



Posted by RakeKiller on April 24, 2007, 6:00 pm



> It's hard to tell exactly what's going on here, but: The black box is a
> "deck box". The conduit from the under water fixture must go to a deck
> box. It likely gets its power via the gfci and the switch. The time clock
> #1 and #3 are the feed 240 volt for the clock motor. #2 is the load from
> #1 and has nothing on it. #4 is the load from #3 and has two wires
> connected to it. It would appear that one leg of the load, is incorrectly
> connected to the line, and they're only using the clock to break the
> second leg

So does that mean that one lead ( on line 1)to the motor has constant power
OR does the fact that one lead runs through a load side(4) the circuit is
broken.
It seems wrong, but this was wired by a professional and has worked
flawlessly for 5+ years.

>
>
>>I am in the process of installing an aquarite salt water chlorine
>>generator.
>> Before I do anything I want to make sure of something and get some
>> clarification.
>>
>> Three pictures for reference at a pool forum where there seems to be some
>> confusion.
>> http://www.poolforum.com/pf2/showthread.php?p=44743&posted=1#post44743
>>
>> Picture A shows the intermatic timer with the terminal protector labeling
>> the(5) terminals as ( from left to right).
>> A
>> 1 ( Line)
>> 2 ( Load)
>> 3 (Line)
>> 4 (Load)
>>
>> Now, in picture B, coming into the timer on the right are the pump motor
>> wires and this confuses me.
>> Green to ground- Ok
>> Black to 4 (load) - Ok
>> and
>> Black to 1 (Line)< Huh?
>>
>> Coming in from the left are the wires from the aquarite.
>> From the aquarite manual I read as if it should be wired as such...(
>> aquarite is pre-wired for 240VAC)
>> Green to ground.
>> Red to ? ( load 2?)
>> Black to ?(load 4?)
>>
>> What confuses me here is that one power line( Black) from the pool pump
>> is wired to 1 (Line) terminal. I thought this should be wired to a load
>> terminal?
>> The second power line (Black) is wired to 4(Load)
>> Green to ground lug.
>>
>> THAT said it appears the that line coming into it( red wire)is from the
>> switch ( that I use to manually turn the pump on an off) the in housing
>> just below the timer box. This pump switch is and x-10 wide /flat type
>> switch.
>>
>> The toggle switch below IT also controls power to the pump( it is left in
>> the ON position)
>> Pool light switch and GFI outlet are NOT affected by either the pool pump
>> or toggle switch, both have constant power.( I assume the light runs FROM
>> the GFI.
>>
>> I have no clue what the black box between the light and the GFI is.
>> I do have a remote control x-10 to turn on and off the pump/light?
>>
>
>



Posted by RBM on April 24, 2007, 6:45 pm


Both load conductors should be disconnected through the time clock. If one
leg is run live, and the other is broken through the clock, it will work
fine, but the motor will have live current at it, even when it's not
running, which could be dangerous



>
>> It's hard to tell exactly what's going on here, but: The black box is a
>> "deck box". The conduit from the under water fixture must go to a deck
>> box. It likely gets its power via the gfci and the switch. The time clock
>> #1 and #3 are the feed 240 volt for the clock motor. #2 is the load from
>> #1 and has nothing on it. #4 is the load from #3 and has two wires
>> connected to it. It would appear that one leg of the load, is incorrectly
>> connected to the line, and they're only using the clock to break the
>> second leg
>
> So does that mean that one lead ( on line 1)to the motor has constant
> power OR does the fact that one lead runs through a load side(4) the
> circuit is broken.
> It seems wrong, but this was wired by a professional and has worked
> flawlessly for 5+ years.
>
>>
>>
>>>I am in the process of installing an aquarite salt water chlorine
>>>generator.
>>> Before I do anything I want to make sure of something and get some
>>> clarification.
>>>
>>> Three pictures for reference at a pool forum where there seems to be
>>> some confusion.
>>> http://www.poolforum.com/pf2/showthread.php?p=44743&posted=1#post44743
>>>
>>> Picture A shows the intermatic timer with the terminal protector
>>> labeling the(5) terminals as ( from left to right).
>>> A
>>> 1 ( Line)
>>> 2 ( Load)
>>> 3 (Line)
>>> 4 (Load)
>>>
>>> Now, in picture B, coming into the timer on the right are the pump motor
>>> wires and this confuses me.
>>> Green to ground- Ok
>>> Black to 4 (load) - Ok
>>> and
>>> Black to 1 (Line)< Huh?
>>>
>>> Coming in from the left are the wires from the aquarite.
>>> From the aquarite manual I read as if it should be wired as such...(
>>> aquarite is pre-wired for 240VAC)
>>> Green to ground.
>>> Red to ? ( load 2?)
>>> Black to ?(load 4?)
>>>
>>> What confuses me here is that one power line( Black) from the pool pump
>>> is wired to 1 (Line) terminal. I thought this should be wired to a load
>>> terminal?
>>> The second power line (Black) is wired to 4(Load)
>>> Green to ground lug.
>>>
>>> THAT said it appears the that line coming into it( red wire)is from the
>>> switch ( that I use to manually turn the pump on an off) the in housing
>>> just below the timer box. This pump switch is and x-10 wide /flat type
>>> switch.
>>>
>>> The toggle switch below IT also controls power to the pump( it is left
>>> in the ON position)
>>> Pool light switch and GFI outlet are NOT affected by either the pool
>>> pump or toggle switch, both have constant power.( I assume the light
>>> runs FROM the GFI.
>>>
>>> I have no clue what the black box between the light and the GFI is.
>>> I do have a remote control x-10 to turn on and off the pump/light?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Posted by RakeKiller on April 24, 2007, 7:03 pm



> Both load conductors should be disconnected through the time clock. If one
> leg is run live, and the other is broken through the clock, it will work
> fine, but the motor will have live current at it, even when it's not
> running, which could be dangerous

So the motor is switched on when both leads go hot.
What I don't understand is how the pump (x-10)switch activates the motor.



>>
>>> It's hard to tell exactly what's going on here, but: The black box is a
>>> "deck box". The conduit from the under water fixture must go to a deck
>>> box. It likely gets its power via the gfci and the switch. The time
>>> clock #1 and #3 are the feed 240 volt for the clock motor. #2 is the
>>> load from #1 and has nothing on it. #4 is the load from #3 and has two
>>> wires connected to it. It would appear that one leg of the load, is
>>> incorrectly connected to the line, and they're only using the clock to
>>> break the second leg
>>
>> So does that mean that one lead ( on line 1)to the motor has constant
>> power OR does the fact that one lead runs through a load side(4) the
>> circuit is broken.
>> It seems wrong, but this was wired by a professional and has worked
>> flawlessly for 5+ years.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I am in the process of installing an aquarite salt water chlorine
>>>>generator.
>>>> Before I do anything I want to make sure of something and get some
>>>> clarification.
>>>>
>>>> Three pictures for reference at a pool forum where there seems to be
>>>> some confusion.
>>>> http://www.poolforum.com/pf2/showthread.php?p=44743&posted=1#post44743
>>>>
>>>> Picture A shows the intermatic timer with the terminal protector
>>>> labeling the(5) terminals as ( from left to right).
>>>> A
>>>> 1 ( Line)
>>>> 2 ( Load)
>>>> 3 (Line)
>>>> 4 (Load)
>>>>
>>>> Now, in picture B, coming into the timer on the right are the pump
>>>> motor wires and this confuses me.
>>>> Green to ground- Ok
>>>> Black to 4 (load) - Ok
>>>> and
>>>> Black to 1 (Line)< Huh?
>>>>
>>>> Coming in from the left are the wires from the aquarite.
>>>> From the aquarite manual I read as if it should be wired as such...(
>>>> aquarite is pre-wired for 240VAC)
>>>> Green to ground.
>>>> Red to ? ( load 2?)
>>>> Black to ?(load 4?)
>>>>
>>>> What confuses me here is that one power line( Black) from the pool pump
>>>> is wired to 1 (Line) terminal. I thought this should be wired to a load
>>>> terminal?
>>>> The second power line (Black) is wired to 4(Load)
>>>> Green to ground lug.
>>>>
>>>> THAT said it appears the that line coming into it( red wire)is from the
>>>> switch ( that I use to manually turn the pump on an off) the in housing
>>>> just below the timer box. This pump switch is and x-10 wide /flat type
>>>> switch.
>>>>
>>>> The toggle switch below IT also controls power to the pump( it is left
>>>> in the ON position)
>>>> Pool light switch and GFI outlet are NOT affected by either the pool
>>>> pump or toggle switch, both have constant power.( I assume the light
>>>> runs FROM the GFI.
>>>>
>>>> I have no clue what the black box between the light and the GFI is.
>>>> I do have a remote control x-10 to turn on and off the pump/light?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



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