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Siding in the rain - disaster! Steve 04-03-2007
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Posted by Steve on April 3, 2007, 4:29 pm


Not because of rain but the incompetent installer.
I'm no expert but every time I've had someone out to do work its a mess!
It may take me twice as long but its done right or at least better than what
these clowns do.

12" x 16' MDF siding. one side of the house all the siding needs replacing.
I ripped off all the old siding.
I put the first course up.
The "handyman" started at 7:00am this morning he had to put up about 20
courses wrapped around 2 windows and an air conditioner.
I leave work at noon and when I get home I can see problems right away.
I said the siding they are putting up should line up with the old siding on
the back of the house. He was off by 2 -3 inches. I pointed to all the
houses around us and they all line up!!
Oh shit he says, He didn't check that. Then I point out that he's been using
a nail gun and driving the nails 1/8" countersunk. I said, "what are you
going to do about that. He said he would fill the holes. Yeh right... that's
going to last...
Keep in mind that this siding sucks, once the surface is broken and water
gets in this stuff swells and flakes apart. No way am I going to patch these
nail heads. Some nails were halfway through the siding.

Then I pointed out that some of the courses were crooked. Over an 8 foot
span he had 10 " of exposure at one end and 9.25 at the other end.
He said he put a level on it!
I said Pack your stuff and get out of here...At this point he knew he
screwed it up. The cleaned up and left. He offered to tear down the siding
but I said just leave.
I pointed out that he ruined about $150 worth of material. He said he would
mail me a check. I took pictures of the poor job and him up on the ladder.
If I don't get a check for the material next week it will be off to small
claim court...

AM I CORRECT?

1. the siding should line up all the way around the house, within reason,
say within .25" - .375"
2. You should not countersink nails in this siding...
3. when you get to a window you notch out the siding so that it wraps around
the window. He cut the full board at the side of the window and then put a
4" piece just under the window.

I was paying this guy $65 Hr for him and a helper.
I had called a couple of references but who knows who they were. They said
they had no problems with his work.
Also I didn't think the job was that difficult.

With the help of you guys to answer my questions, I would rather do it
myself.

Just had to vent!!

Steve




Posted by longshot on April 3, 2007, 4:35 pm


is this in backwoods, Tennessee or Beverly Hills, California


> Not because of rain but the incompetent installer.
> I'm no expert but every time I've had someone out to do work its a mess!
> It may take me twice as long but its done right or at least better than
> what these clowns do.
>
> 12" x 16' MDF siding. one side of the house all the siding needs
> replacing.
> I ripped off all the old siding.
> I put the first course up.
> The "handyman" started at 7:00am this morning he had to put up about 20
> courses wrapped around 2 windows and an air conditioner.
> I leave work at noon and when I get home I can see problems right away.
> I said the siding they are putting up should line up with the old siding
> on the back of the house. He was off by 2 -3 inches. I pointed to all the
> houses around us and they all line up!!
> Oh shit he says, He didn't check that. Then I point out that he's been
> using a nail gun and driving the nails 1/8" countersunk. I said, "what are
> you going to do about that. He said he would fill the holes. Yeh right...
> that's going to last...
> Keep in mind that this siding sucks, once the surface is broken and water
> gets in this stuff swells and flakes apart. No way am I going to patch
> these nail heads. Some nails were halfway through the siding.
>
> Then I pointed out that some of the courses were crooked. Over an 8 foot
> span he had 10 " of exposure at one end and 9.25 at the other end.
> He said he put a level on it!
> I said Pack your stuff and get out of here...At this point he knew he
> screwed it up. The cleaned up and left. He offered to tear down the siding
> but I said just leave.
> I pointed out that he ruined about $150 worth of material. He said he
> would mail me a check. I took pictures of the poor job and him up on the
> ladder.
> If I don't get a check for the material next week it will be off to small
> claim court...
>
> AM I CORRECT?
>
> 1. the siding should line up all the way around the house, within reason,
> say within .25" - .375"
> 2. You should not countersink nails in this siding...
> 3. when you get to a window you notch out the siding so that it wraps
> around the window. He cut the full board at the side of the window and
> then put a 4" piece just under the window.
>
> I was paying this guy $65 Hr for him and a helper.
> I had called a couple of references but who knows who they were. They said
> they had no problems with his work.
> Also I didn't think the job was that difficult.
>
> With the help of you guys to answer my questions, I would rather do it
> myself.
>
> Just had to vent!!
>
> Steve
>
>
>



Posted by Steve on April 3, 2007, 4:51 pm


I'm in the gay state of Massachusetts.
Opps, I mean the bay state.



> is this in backwoods, Tennessee or Beverly Hills, California
>
>
>> Not because of rain but the incompetent installer.
>> I'm no expert but every time I've had someone out to do work its a mess!
>> It may take me twice as long but its done right or at least better than
>> what these clowns do.
>>
>> 12" x 16' MDF siding. one side of the house all the siding needs
>> replacing.
>> I ripped off all the old siding.
>> I put the first course up.
>> The "handyman" started at 7:00am this morning he had to put up about 20
>> courses wrapped around 2 windows and an air conditioner.
>> I leave work at noon and when I get home I can see problems right away.
>> I said the siding they are putting up should line up with the old siding
>> on the back of the house. He was off by 2 -3 inches. I pointed to all the
>> houses around us and they all line up!!
>> Oh shit he says, He didn't check that. Then I point out that he's been
>> using a nail gun and driving the nails 1/8" countersunk. I said, "what
>> are you going to do about that. He said he would fill the holes. Yeh
>> right... that's going to last...
>> Keep in mind that this siding sucks, once the surface is broken and water
>> gets in this stuff swells and flakes apart. No way am I going to patch
>> these nail heads. Some nails were halfway through the siding.
>>
>> Then I pointed out that some of the courses were crooked. Over an 8 foot
>> span he had 10 " of exposure at one end and 9.25 at the other end.
>> He said he put a level on it!
>> I said Pack your stuff and get out of here...At this point he knew he
>> screwed it up. The cleaned up and left. He offered to tear down the
>> siding but I said just leave.
>> I pointed out that he ruined about $150 worth of material. He said he
>> would mail me a check. I took pictures of the poor job and him up on the
>> ladder.
>> If I don't get a check for the material next week it will be off to small
>> claim court...
>>
>> AM I CORRECT?
>>
>> 1. the siding should line up all the way around the house, within reason,
>> say within .25" - .375"
>> 2. You should not countersink nails in this siding...
>> 3. when you get to a window you notch out the siding so that it wraps
>> around the window. He cut the full board at the side of the window and
>> then put a 4" piece just under the window.
>>
>> I was paying this guy $65 Hr for him and a helper.
>> I had called a couple of references but who knows who they were. They
>> said they had no problems with his work.
>> Also I didn't think the job was that difficult.
>>
>> With the help of you guys to answer my questions, I would rather do it
>> myself.
>>
>> Just had to vent!!
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>
>



Posted by JoeSpareBedroom on April 3, 2007, 5:04 pm


The point of the question was: Do you live near a decent size city where you
have a wide choice of people who could've done this job, or are you out in
the sticks where the best place to find a handyman is in a back-road tavern
that's 2 weeks away from collapsing from termite damage?


> I'm in the gay state of Massachusetts.
> Opps, I mean the bay state.
>
>
>
>> is this in backwoods, Tennessee or Beverly Hills, California
>>
>>
>>> Not because of rain but the incompetent installer.
>>> I'm no expert but every time I've had someone out to do work its a mess!
>>> It may take me twice as long but its done right or at least better than
>>> what these clowns do.
>>>
>>> 12" x 16' MDF siding. one side of the house all the siding needs
>>> replacing.
>>> I ripped off all the old siding.
>>> I put the first course up.
>>> The "handyman" started at 7:00am this morning he had to put up about 20
>>> courses wrapped around 2 windows and an air conditioner.
>>> I leave work at noon and when I get home I can see problems right away.
>>> I said the siding they are putting up should line up with the old siding
>>> on the back of the house. He was off by 2 -3 inches. I pointed to all
>>> the houses around us and they all line up!!
>>> Oh shit he says, He didn't check that. Then I point out that he's been
>>> using a nail gun and driving the nails 1/8" countersunk. I said, "what
>>> are you going to do about that. He said he would fill the holes. Yeh
>>> right... that's going to last...
>>> Keep in mind that this siding sucks, once the surface is broken and
>>> water gets in this stuff swells and flakes apart. No way am I going to
>>> patch these nail heads. Some nails were halfway through the siding.
>>>
>>> Then I pointed out that some of the courses were crooked. Over an 8 foot
>>> span he had 10 " of exposure at one end and 9.25 at the other end.
>>> He said he put a level on it!
>>> I said Pack your stuff and get out of here...At this point he knew he
>>> screwed it up. The cleaned up and left. He offered to tear down the
>>> siding but I said just leave.
>>> I pointed out that he ruined about $150 worth of material. He said he
>>> would mail me a check. I took pictures of the poor job and him up on the
>>> ladder.
>>> If I don't get a check for the material next week it will be off to
>>> small claim court...
>>>
>>> AM I CORRECT?
>>>
>>> 1. the siding should line up all the way around the house, within
>>> reason, say within .25" - .375"
>>> 2. You should not countersink nails in this siding...
>>> 3. when you get to a window you notch out the siding so that it wraps
>>> around the window. He cut the full board at the side of the window and
>>> then put a 4" piece just under the window.
>>>
>>> I was paying this guy $65 Hr for him and a helper.
>>> I had called a couple of references but who knows who they were. They
>>> said they had no problems with his work.
>>> Also I didn't think the job was that difficult.
>>>
>>> With the help of you guys to answer my questions, I would rather do it
>>> myself.
>>>
>>> Just had to vent!!
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Posted by comcastss news groups on April 4, 2007, 10:01 am



> The point of the question was: Do you live near a decent size city where
you
> have a wide choice of people who could've done this job, or are you out in
> the sticks where the best place to find a handyman is in a back-road
tavern
> that's 2 weeks away from collapsing from termite damage?

Plenty of people around offering to do the work.
I live 20 mile outside of boston.
Called 5 "handymen" for quotes. 3 never showed up to meet me.
one showed up in crutches and wanted $2000, I buy the material.
The guy I went with was going to work by the hour, $65 he though he would
get it done in 6 to 10 hours. ( I ripped all the old siding up and had the
material on site ready to go.)
We talked about the siding lineing up with the old siding.
He told me he liked to predrill and use SS nails on this siding.
He said he had used this siding material before.

Then he uses his nail gun and blows the nails half way through the siding.

steve



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